HERDING WITH BOXER DOGS DOCUMENTARY
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– [Announcer] Dogumentary TV, producing the best breed documentaries. (whirring)
(dog barking) (upbeat pop music) – I’m Reegan Ray, I’m a
boxer owner, lover, breeder and I’m a herding judge
and I’m a big advocate of people doing something
with their boxer. (light instrumental music) As a child, had a boxer growing up. I don’t remember that boxer,
but I heard so many stories about it growing up that it had to be the breed that I chose as an adult, and once I lived with one that was it. I had a really smart boxer puppy, and I wanted to do sports with her but I didn’t really know what to do and I tried all kinds of things. I did agility and obedience,
I tried lure coursing. Just anything that would get me out doing something with her, and one of the trainers I worked with, suggested that I try herding, and I really had no idea what that meant. I kept contacting Terry Parrish
and eventually she said, okay, come on bring her on out here, we’ll throw her in some
sheep and see what happens. And she put her in with the sheep and my husband and I watched. Had no idea what she was doing, but Terry was very excited about it. So she said come on out and let’s see what this boxer can do and that was just the beginning. They weren’t approved to compete in any venues at that point. So I was just training just for fun, and then as time went
on and she had an outrun and she was able to do these things. Walking up on the sheep. Moving them away from me. Keeping herself under control. Anticipating what I wanted. It started to look like I
had to compete with this dog, and little-by-little got in touch with the American Boxer
Club, American Kennel Club. Wrote a petition which
Terry helped me with and several other of the
trainers around here, and we got the boxer approved. The American Boxer Club is, they’re supportive of
agility and obedience but really hadn’t thought about the boxer in some of the ways that
it was used in the past. And even though they were
considered a drover’s dog and originally it was
the Munich Butcher’s Club that wrote the first
standard for the breed, there was an idea that
they worked on cattle but really they were
thought of as a guard dog. They’d been the first dogs
used in war, carrying messages. So the idea of them working stock, even though they’d been a hunting breed. They’d worked in the hunt
they were a catch breed. So they were sent out,
they had the flushing dogs and then they had the dogs
that held the prey down for the hunter to come. We knew that they were able
to move animals around, but it wasn’t clear what
they’d done in the past in terms of managing stock. And that’s really true of most breeds. That the most history that we have on animals moving stock is
the border collie, of course. The real herding breeds
have a natural understanding of their pressure around stock, and likely boxers or the
precursor to the boxer, the bullenbeisser or the hunting ancestors of the boxer, may have moved stock around but not like the Border Collie. There isn’t that finesse,
and style, and beauty, and ability to sense how they’re
pressure affects the stock, except in some individuals. So we’re finding that some
boxers are very able to learn how their pressure affects the stock and then they can help you do a job because they’re an all-purpose breed, so they were used on farms,
they were used for chores. We just don’t really know
what and in what capacity, just that they’re very biddable breed and once they learn how
to do something with you, they want to do it. That’s probably the biggest
attribute of the boxer, is it wants to be with you,
and it wants to please you, and do things for you, and they’re very smart
and quick to train up, so it makes them really
wonderful dogs to do any kind of sport with
because they train so quickly, and you can go out and have
fun, kind of right away. (laughs) In the courses that are designed in AKC and American Herding
Breed Association, really are for many, many
breeds to be able to compete and I think a better
word for it is exhibit. You’re able to train your dog
to do this activity with you and then exhibit your relationship so I was drawn to this (laughs), I get teary-eyed about it
’cause it’s kind of profound. Your dog is working so far away from you and you’re with an entirely other species, and the working dogs, all of
them, have to put their prey right aside, in order
to do a job with you. Bring sheep to you, move
them through obstacles. The courses between AKC and The American
Herding Breed Association are designed to exhibit that relationship and that ability to move
stock calmly and thoughtfully. It’s all about the careful
management of livestock so the border collie has
its own organization. They, of course, compete in all of these and often win everything
because that’s the breed, that’s the one to do that with. Most ranchers are gonna
choose a border collie, right? But it doesn’t mean you
can’t go out and have fun and do things with these
wonderful working dogs that want to do a job with you and this is just, we have
a couple of venues in which to exhibit their ability to
do a job and do a hard job, a job that requires some
intelligence and self control, the ability to wait and listen, to work away from you, to make decisions. Once they see, it’s amazing to me that in some of the more advance herding courses, dogs can pattern train, of course, but the sheep are always going
to do something different, so you can never anticipate what any group of two, three,
four, 20 sheep are going to do and your dog has to, not
only respond to your command, but it has to think about
what your intentions are, at the highest level. (upbeat electronic music) I do love it though, I just, I couldn’t believe what my
first dog, she’s now passed, what she was able to do and how she was able to
figure things out and, there were times when there
were other dogs working in the field at lessons and things, and they’d lose their sheep
and they’d come running past and Pip was her name, Pip would just put herself
into a down immediately. Those weren’t her sheep,
this wasn’t her job, she was letting the other dog work, things I didn’t command her to do but after many, many years
of working around stock, she just knew. That’s a pretty heady thing, that’s a pretty wonderful
relationship to have with a dog, or to see them get to that
level of thought so I think people who get involved in
herding, appreciate that. They see how much the dog has to think. The arena courses, there’s
a lot of obedience herding that you can do and have a great time and never train that
hard or never become that level of trainer and
still have a great time, and a lot of people do
that, most people do that, and then you get to that level
where you want to seek out a championship and really exhibit
the things your dog can do and you’re gonna have
to do this course a lot, and you’re gonna have to compete
against the border collies, and you’re gonna have to get first places, against a lot of border collies and in the American Kennel
Club, you have to have major, which means there’s some competition, there have to be the numbers there, and boxers have done it. So I have, along the same line,
I bred Pip and I got Fred, she’s now seven and a half, the brindle boxer that
I was showing you today. She has her advanced titles
in the American Kennel Club, she has intermediate titles in The American Herding Breed Association and we’re starting on her advance titles. She has titles out in
the field on B course, which is considered the
border collie course, with the big outruns and it’s so much fun to exhibit her doing that
and keeping it under control, and there are other venues that the, there’s something called The United States Border
Collie Handlers Association, that really, you only
see border collies in and her grandmother, Pip, competed in that, exhibited I should say,
a few times and qualified and that was a pretty amazing
thing to be out there with only collies and this one little boxer. So that was Pip and she
had two championships and she also had a tracking championship. I didn’t get into IPO,
or they know call it IGP, shoots in until Fred, the
brindle female that I have now. So she’s seven and a
half and has her IGP Two, so I’ve gone through two
levels of that with her and the herding is something
we started with first. It was the sport I knew the best, and she also has a
tracking championship in The American Kennel Club
and then I bred her, and I have Winston, her
son is 16 months now and is starting to get into the big arena and get a little control of himself and understand how to move sheep and how to read them a little bit. Well, he doesn’t read them yet. (laughs) But he’s getting there. He’s certainly interested in them and I plan to go through the
levels of herding with him as well and he’s got
the first two levels in The American Kennel Club
of tracking titles as well and we’re starting him in IGP. He’s been working on that
for a little bit too. We’ll probably trial him in about a year. (peaceful music) When I first got involved with dog sports, I wanted to have a relationship with this really smart breed, I just
thought they were fantastic. I loved how goofy they were, I loved how they put all that aside and were able to become very serious when they saw something
was important to you. If you live with a boxer, you see them do the most amazing things. Really, really smart things. I had a boxer that, okay so I have a glass of water, next to my bed and I’m
thirsty, I’m drinking the water and my boxer comes in and she
looks at the glass of water and she runs to the bedroom
door and she comes back and looks at me and looks
at the glass of water, runs to the bedroom door,
okay, alright, so I get up and I follow her down the hallway and she goes and stand over
her water bowl which is empty. That’s a boxer. (laughs) I can tell you lots of
crazy stories like that but I always loved the breed and I wanted to do something
with them that showed this off and have this relationship
for other people to see. So when I got involved in herding, as time went by and I
saw the boxer could do a little of this and a little of that, gosh, we might get through the first level and oh my goodness. Getting out there and exhibiting this wonderful working dog and the
things they are able to do. Herding is a difficult
job, it’s hard to train, it’s very challenging to
exhibit a good herding run at the highest levels
and boxers can do it. Strangely enough, herding
became the thing that made people think, oh, gosh, if they can do what the border collies
do, they’re pretty smart, and I think it kind of
got into people’s ego and into their hearts,
I’m gonna do that too, and it’s pretty wonderful
to be apart of that. I want to support anything that keeps the breed intelligence, their athleticism, their desire to do
something with you, alive. (lighthearted music) ♪ A little bit of paradise of earth ♪ ♪ Gotta get there first ♪ ♪ Can I go with you? ♪ ♪ A little bit of feelings I can’t shake ♪ ♪ They’re the ones you make ♪ ♪ And I think you’ll do ♪ ♪ And if you see it like me ♪ ♪ You can get it for free ♪ ♪ If you’re ready to lead ♪ ♪ A little bit of heartache never killed ♪ ♪ You ran it through ♪ ♪ Or buy into ♪ ♪ I’m walking on this hill of mine ♪ ♪ Just gotta get past it ♪


32 thoughts on “HERDING WITH BOXER DOGS DOCUMENTARY

  1. Can you please do an interview with Boxers Von Bachbett they have amazing boxers as police dogs and shutzhund in la Crosse Wisconsin

  2. Great and informative video. I love my boxers. They are sometimes smarter than I am! So loving and protective yet wanting to be busy all the time unless they have to have a nap. LOL!

  3. Great video Zeke! I had boxers for caws before but i never tought they were good for hearding small cattle. Great job showing this type of videos

  4. I think Boxers are awesome but it takes much longer to train in herding. Border Collies and other herding breeds are born with the instinct.

  5. Loved this video, had a boxer and everything she stated is very true about the breed, I loved my boxer to death

  6. Those sheep must be very athletic, constantly under pressure from training of numerous herding dogs on them. They would demand to double up their salaries if they were humans

  7. As a Boxer owner I love this! Too many times I’ve heard from people that Boxers can’t “work” because they’re too hyper, too stubborn, too impulsive etc…& they’re all wrong. Boxers are working dogs & love having a job to do. If you work with them enough & keep it fun, they can do anything.

  8. Really enjoyed this, Reegan's commentary is so eloquent. This has cemented my desire to adopt boxers when I'm in a position to have dogs again. They are loving and daft and clever and their quizzical expression is priceless.

  9. I know they say Bulldogs were used for bull baiting, but I believe they were also kind of a rodeo clown. And that's what the King saw in Enland when they were first mentioned. Not that they weren't there for a long time before. Bull baiting came as vile entertainment.

  10. Man I just love Boxers. I pick breeds I like based on stats and various other criteria but the Boxer or I should say a Boxer picked me. Amelia was our family dog and she loved each of us individually, but I was always the big dog person in our family so she and I had a much closer relationship. She was extremely intelligent and had this way of loving a person with a depth that I've never seen in any other breed and I've seen and spent time with most breeds in the U.S. and maybe this was a fluke but other Boxers I've known have been similar and I've always felt like they had that special bond with there owners as I did with Amelia.

  11. Nice piece for sure Z. Can see you put a lot into it. Could have been a animal planet piece, actually better 👍

  12. As interesting as that water story was. My Boxer wasn´t that gently. If she wanted water, you could hear it from outside. By moving that bowl around.

  13. RIP LUCKY. She was my best friend. I learned just as much from her as she did from me. Putting her to sleep was the hardest desicion I have ever made. She's an angel now.

  14. The Image on my profile is Shoguns Assassin from Cloverdale BC in the early 80's one of the male pups from Hanna the bitch 55 -65 lbs and a stud dog called Bouncer overweight maybe 90 lbs from Aldergrove BC a farm boxer , Shogun being a fawn with stripes back then and too much white they said was a odd combo but yet he won some provincial small shows but imo one of the most unique and solid looking dogs ever , We also kept Samurai warrior my childhood dog same litter a big 85 lbs athletic brindle and flash male and was a stud dog and was bred maybe 3 times in BC , real good size athletic and healthy aged boxers and love to see some history on papers and I do have all the original paper lines starting with I think Kevin Reid or Reed from the UK Britannian Kennels . If anyone has any paper names or trails would be nice to hear back from . and I do have some nice photos of this line and some paper history on my families companions . Thanks for the video been waiting for some good boxer stuff on this page

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